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	<title>Comments on: Free Agent Salaries and MLB Revenue Growth</title>
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		<title>By: Beamer</title>
		<link>http://www.sabernomics.com/sabernomics/index.php/2006/11/free-agent-salaries-and-mlb-growth/comment-page-1/#comment-17849</link>
		<dc:creator>Beamer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 16:44:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom,

Nate Silver of Baseball Prospectus has done a lot of work in this area and he has found that making the playoffs impacts future revenue significantly -- given that a 94 win team always makes the playoffs pretty much this will be the case here.

The rationale is that a 94 win team is more likely to be a better team and hence repeats its success. Therefore fans will flock to see more games and TV rights will be more expensive because of that. Nate calculates that it is a 10 year effect.

Check out the BP site -- though I suspect that it is subscription only
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom,</p>
<p>Nate Silver of Baseball Prospectus has done a lot of work in this area and he has found that making the playoffs impacts future revenue significantly &#8212; given that a 94 win team always makes the playoffs pretty much this will be the case here.</p>
<p>The rationale is that a 94 win team is more likely to be a better team and hence repeats its success. Therefore fans will flock to see more games and TV rights will be more expensive because of that. Nate calculates that it is a 10 year effect.</p>
<p>Check out the BP site &#8212; though I suspect that it is subscription only</p>
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		<title>By: Beamer</title>
		<link>http://www.sabernomics.com/sabernomics/index.php/2006/11/free-agent-salaries-and-mlb-growth/comment-page-1/#comment-17690</link>
		<dc:creator>Beamer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 06:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will be keen to see the final product, David</description>
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		<title>By: Tom Meagher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Meagher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 21:43:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David,

Do these values continue to rise independent of inflation and the increased centralized MLB profits? It is counter-intuitive that a 94-win season in 2002 would have any bearing on franchise value in 2007. While it is of course reasonable that a recent winning record drives up a franchise&#039;s value on the market, I have doubts that it is appropriate to treat  the relationship between wins and franchise value as, in essence, profit. Do teams like the Braves see a leveling out of this effect, or have they really continued to increase their value linearly independent of inflation, MLBAM, etc.?

I also can&#039;t help but point out that surely the difference in the value of a dollar in New York and Boston from TB and Minneapolis is substantial enough to be taken into consideration. I think you probably would need to adjust for the changes in the buying power of the market before you draw any conclusions on the Forbes data.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,</p>
<p>Do these values continue to rise independent of inflation and the increased centralized MLB profits? It is counter-intuitive that a 94-win season in 2002 would have any bearing on franchise value in 2007. While it is of course reasonable that a recent winning record drives up a franchise&#8217;s value on the market, I have doubts that it is appropriate to treat  the relationship between wins and franchise value as, in essence, profit. Do teams like the Braves see a leveling out of this effect, or have they really continued to increase their value linearly independent of inflation, MLBAM, etc.?</p>
<p>I also can&#8217;t help but point out that surely the difference in the value of a dollar in New York and Boston from TB and Minneapolis is substantial enough to be taken into consideration. I think you probably would need to adjust for the changes in the buying power of the market before you draw any conclusions on the Forbes data.</p>
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		<title>By: David Gassko</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Gassko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 16:53:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John,

You obviously can&#039;t make any conclusions based on one or two teams. But from the research I&#039;ve done (and again, I&#039;m not done with it, so I can&#039;t say for certain), this phenomena applies to every team. The Forbes evaluations have turned out to be pretty spot-on, and I think that on a league-wide level they do a pretty good job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,</p>
<p>You obviously can&#8217;t make any conclusions based on one or two teams. But from the research I&#8217;ve done (and again, I&#8217;m not done with it, so I can&#8217;t say for certain), this phenomena applies to every team. The Forbes evaluations have turned out to be pretty spot-on, and I think that on a league-wide level they do a pretty good job.</p>
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		<title>By: Beamer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beamer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 05:29:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David,

To clarify, the point is also that valuation is an inexact science. In these valuation models an increase in value of 10% is probably within the margin of error of the assumptions. I am sure that the ballpark numbers (no pun intented) are in the right order of magnitude, it is the year on year change that is suspect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,</p>
<p>To clarify, the point is also that valuation is an inexact science. In these valuation models an increase in value of 10% is probably within the margin of error of the assumptions. I am sure that the ballpark numbers (no pun intented) are in the right order of magnitude, it is the year on year change that is suspect.</p>
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		<title>By: Beamer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beamer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 04:12:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David,

One issue I have with that argument is that I presume the value you refering to is the capital value of the club as reported by Forbes. 

Do you have any idea how Forbes creates these numbers? Is through a DCF process, or comps? What expertise does Forbes have here (except doing it for a few years)? They are not a bank or a consulting firm so what to they really know about business valuation?

Now, I could well be wrong and Forbes may have a bunch of experts who are routinely engaged on sport takeovers and therefore their opinions should be well regarded. I just don&#039;t have the information to be able to say whether this is right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,</p>
<p>One issue I have with that argument is that I presume the value you refering to is the capital value of the club as reported by Forbes. </p>
<p>Do you have any idea how Forbes creates these numbers? Is through a DCF process, or comps? What expertise does Forbes have here (except doing it for a few years)? They are not a bank or a consulting firm so what to they really know about business valuation?</p>
<p>Now, I could well be wrong and Forbes may have a bunch of experts who are routinely engaged on sport takeovers and therefore their opinions should be well regarded. I just don&#8217;t have the information to be able to say whether this is right.</p>
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		<title>By: David Gassko</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Gassko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 01:52:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m just going to copy and paste from an e-mail I sent a couple of days ago. I think it&#039;s a pretty important concept to understand:

I haven&#039;t found anything yet, anything definitive, that is, but based on the work I&#039;ve done so far, it seems to me that people under-estimate the value of a marginal win, largely because of how much it increases team value. For example, in the Yankees&#039; value grew by $76 million from 2005 to 2006, the Devil Rays&#039; grew by $33 million. The Yankees won 28 more games in 2005 than the Rays, so that would mean a marginal win is worth about $1.5 million more than we think (which takes it from $2.5-3 million to $4- 4.5 million, which is what teams pay for free agents!).

If you take the next two most extreme teams (in terms of 2005 revenues), the Red Sox and Twins, you find that a marginal win is worth $1.3 million in terms of franchise value, so it looks like we&#039;re in the right neighborhood. Now the issue is that a large market team&#039;s value might grow more even if it does not win more games, so we need to adjust for that (and then there are some other things), but that&#039;s a rough demonstration of what&#039;s going on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m just going to copy and paste from an e-mail I sent a couple of days ago. I think it&#8217;s a pretty important concept to understand:</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t found anything yet, anything definitive, that is, but based on the work I&#8217;ve done so far, it seems to me that people under-estimate the value of a marginal win, largely because of how much it increases team value. For example, in the Yankees&#8217; value grew by $76 million from 2005 to 2006, the Devil Rays&#8217; grew by $33 million. The Yankees won 28 more games in 2005 than the Rays, so that would mean a marginal win is worth about $1.5 million more than we think (which takes it from $2.5-3 million to $4- 4.5 million, which is what teams pay for free agents!).</p>
<p>If you take the next two most extreme teams (in terms of 2005 revenues), the Red Sox and Twins, you find that a marginal win is worth $1.3 million in terms of franchise value, so it looks like we&#8217;re in the right neighborhood. Now the issue is that a large market team&#8217;s value might grow more even if it does not win more games, so we need to adjust for that (and then there are some other things), but that&#8217;s a rough demonstration of what&#8217;s going on.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 00:55:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So are we to assume that baseball GMs are extremely nearsighted to the point that the Angels are willing to tie up 5 years and $50 million with Gary Matthews when all likelihood Andruw Jones will be available next fall? I realize there is a significant chance of not getting Jones, but should we assume that GMs completely disregard future free agents?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So are we to assume that baseball GMs are extremely nearsighted to the point that the Angels are willing to tie up 5 years and $50 million with Gary Matthews when all likelihood Andruw Jones will be available next fall? I realize there is a significant chance of not getting Jones, but should we assume that GMs completely disregard future free agents?</p>
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		<title>By: studes</title>
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		<dc:creator>studes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 20:56:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, one of the assumptions you seem to be making is that the relationship between baseball franchise value and revenue is similar to other industries.  I wonder if that&#039;s really true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, one of the assumptions you seem to be making is that the relationship between baseball franchise value and revenue is similar to other industries.  I wonder if that&#8217;s really true.</p>
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		<title>By: studes</title>
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		<dc:creator>studes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 20:40:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, if you&#039;ve got a &quot;bias&quot; against owners overspending free money in the short term, I can&#039;t help ya!  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, if you&#8217;ve got a &#8220;bias&#8221; against owners overspending free money in the short term, I can&#8217;t help ya!  <img src='http://www.sabernomics.com/sabernomics/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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