Comments on: Valuing Torii Hunter’s Deal http://www.sabernomics.com/sabernomics/index.php/2007/11/valuing-torii-hunters-deal/ Economic Thinking about Baseball Sun, 09 Jan 2011 17:16:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Tony http://www.sabernomics.com/sabernomics/index.php/2007/11/valuing-torii-hunters-deal/comment-page-1/#comment-69418 Tony Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:56:46 +0000 http://www.sabernomics.com/sabernomics/index.php/2007/11/valuing-torii-hunters-deal/#comment-69418 What if GMJ gets busted for steroids (as rumored)? Is there a chance the angels will be off the hook for his contract? If so this could be a very smart move. What if GMJ gets busted for steroids (as rumored)? Is there a chance the angels will be off the hook for his contract? If so this could be a very smart move.

]]> By: tangotiger http://www.sabernomics.com/sabernomics/index.php/2007/11/valuing-torii-hunters-deal/comment-page-1/#comment-69413 tangotiger Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:30:12 +0000 http://www.sabernomics.com/sabernomics/index.php/2007/11/valuing-torii-hunters-deal/#comment-69413 You are suggesting that Hunter's 5/90 deal is fair, if you consider him to be an average fielding CF, meaning that he was underpaid according to your model. I've got him as a 5/80 player, with above average fielding. You are suggesting that Hunter’s 5/90 deal is fair, if you consider him to be an average fielding CF, meaning that he was underpaid according to your model. I’ve got him as a 5/80 player, with above average fielding.

]]> By: Michael http://www.sabernomics.com/sabernomics/index.php/2007/11/valuing-torii-hunters-deal/comment-page-1/#comment-69295 Michael Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:41:09 +0000 http://www.sabernomics.com/sabernomics/index.php/2007/11/valuing-torii-hunters-deal/#comment-69295 Cliff said: I think the Angels really lost touch with reality. Mathews to Hunter is barely an upgrade offensively or defensively. They need bats. For them Andruw Jones was a better solution. You have lost touch with reality if you think GMJ and Torii hunter are equals. I would venture to guess that 25 more xbh (GMJ-47, Hunter-74) and an ops of nearly 100 points higher (GMJ-.742, Hunter-.839) is a huge upgrade offensively. It will be even moreso if GMJ continues his 2nd half slide from last year. Cliff said:
I think the Angels really lost touch with reality. Mathews to Hunter is barely an upgrade offensively or defensively. They need bats. For them Andruw Jones was a better solution.

You have lost touch with reality if you think GMJ and Torii hunter are equals. I would venture to guess that 25 more xbh (GMJ-47, Hunter-74) and an ops of nearly 100 points higher (GMJ-.742, Hunter-.839) is a huge upgrade offensively. It will be even moreso if GMJ continues his 2nd half slide from last year.

]]> By: JC http://www.sabernomics.com/sabernomics/index.php/2007/11/valuing-torii-hunters-deal/comment-page-1/#comment-69265 JC Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:49:48 +0000 http://www.sabernomics.com/sabernomics/index.php/2007/11/valuing-torii-hunters-deal/#comment-69265 Yes, the big difference is due to the growth in salaries, which have been growing at about 10%/year for 20 years. He is most definitely in the decline phase of his career and I would have him being even more valuable if I did not account for this. Yes, the big difference is due to the growth in salaries, which have been growing at about 10%/year for 20 years. He is most definitely in the decline phase of his career and I would have him being even more valuable if I did not account for this.

]]> By: mraver http://www.sabernomics.com/sabernomics/index.php/2007/11/valuing-torii-hunters-deal/comment-page-1/#comment-69260 mraver Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:44:03 +0000 http://www.sabernomics.com/sabernomics/index.php/2007/11/valuing-torii-hunters-deal/#comment-69260 Given that your earlier projections (based on 3-year averages) resulted in significantly lower salary values, does your more recent projection reflect an expectation of higher production from Hunter (relative to what the 3-year average suggested) or simply an inflation of salaries (and hence the value of a win) over the length of the deal? Given that your earlier projections (based on 3-year averages) resulted in significantly lower salary values, does your more recent projection reflect an expectation of higher production from Hunter (relative to what the 3-year average suggested) or simply an inflation of salaries (and hence the value of a win) over the length of the deal?

]]> By: Cliff http://www.sabernomics.com/sabernomics/index.php/2007/11/valuing-torii-hunters-deal/comment-page-1/#comment-69240 Cliff Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:49:53 +0000 http://www.sabernomics.com/sabernomics/index.php/2007/11/valuing-torii-hunters-deal/#comment-69240 Then, if Andruw Jones is worth a little more (per your system) then 5 years at $20 million per year is about right for him, right? I think the Angels really lost touch with reality. Mathews to Hunter is barely an upgrade offensively or defensively. They need bats. For them Andruw Jones was a better solution. Then, if Andruw Jones is worth a little more (per your system) then 5 years at $20 million per year is about right for him, right?

I think the Angels really lost touch with reality. Mathews to Hunter is barely an upgrade offensively or defensively. They need bats. For them Andruw Jones was a better solution.

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