Comments on: The Deal of the Year http://www.sabernomics.com/sabernomics/index.php/2007/12/the-deal-of-the-year/ Economic Thinking about Baseball Sun, 09 Jan 2011 17:16:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Frank http://www.sabernomics.com/sabernomics/index.php/2007/12/the-deal-of-the-year/comment-page-1/#comment-78451 Frank Wed, 02 Jan 2008 17:32:42 +0000 http://www.sabernomics.com/sabernomics/index.php/2007/12/the-deal-of-the-year/#comment-78451 Rowand may work out fine for the Giants expenditure on him, but I think the Prior deal may be the deal of the year. The Braves pissed away 750k on Tanyon Sturtze last year and the Pads now get Prior for 1m plus incentives. A risk well worth taking. Rowand may work out fine for the Giants expenditure on him, but I think the Prior deal may be the deal of the year. The Braves pissed away 750k on Tanyon Sturtze last year and the Pads now get Prior for 1m plus incentives. A risk well worth taking.

]]> By: JD http://www.sabernomics.com/sabernomics/index.php/2007/12/the-deal-of-the-year/comment-page-1/#comment-78024 JD Tue, 01 Jan 2008 03:34:19 +0000 http://www.sabernomics.com/sabernomics/index.php/2007/12/the-deal-of-the-year/#comment-78024 In response to post 21: A downgrade in center? Defensively? I don't see how. He's a much better defensive player than Dave Roberts, Randy Winn, or any of the other players who got significant time in the outfield for the Giants last season. He's also been better than Winn (and, by a lot, Molina) offensively for his career. Giants fans are going to be pleasantly surprised by this deal. In response to post 21:

A downgrade in center? Defensively? I don’t see how. He’s a much better defensive player than Dave Roberts, Randy Winn, or any of the other players who got significant time in the outfield for the Giants last season. He’s also been better than Winn (and, by a lot, Molina) offensively for his career.

Giants fans are going to be pleasantly surprised by this deal.

]]> By: andy melamed http://www.sabernomics.com/sabernomics/index.php/2007/12/the-deal-of-the-year/comment-page-1/#comment-77770 andy melamed Mon, 31 Dec 2007 18:44:26 +0000 http://www.sabernomics.com/sabernomics/index.php/2007/12/the-deal-of-the-year/#comment-77770 sorry guys.. it seems we are stuck in a deeep hole needing two more very good position players at the corners, and three good bullpen guys.. thats five more players, with no one worth trading except the unexpendables of our future.. if we can just buy out kline, aurilia, durham,.. and chuck chulk, and even hennessey and keep wilson and sanchez and mirsch we would still be at a loss cuz on one is worth buying and and minor leaguers are 1=2 years away.. rebuild with the youth.. and unfortunately by the time they come around aaron rowand will be in the pasture.. soooo the 12million does not look good.. (a long way to say it, but its the truth)..and we can blame it on the barry fiasco of winning for him for the moment...instead investing in the future. sorry guys.. it seems we are stuck in a deeep hole needing two more very good position players at the corners, and three good bullpen guys.. thats five more players, with no one worth trading except the unexpendables of our future.. if we can just buy out kline, aurilia, durham,.. and chuck chulk, and even hennessey and keep wilson and sanchez and mirsch we would still be at a loss cuz on one is worth buying and and minor leaguers are 1=2 years away.. rebuild with the youth.. and unfortunately by the time they come around aaron rowand will be in the pasture.. soooo the 12million does not look good.. (a long way to say it, but its the truth)..and we can blame it on the barry fiasco of winning for him for the moment…instead investing in the future.

]]> By: Aaron http://www.sabernomics.com/sabernomics/index.php/2007/12/the-deal-of-the-year/comment-page-1/#comment-77707 Aaron Mon, 31 Dec 2007 07:50:38 +0000 http://www.sabernomics.com/sabernomics/index.php/2007/12/the-deal-of-the-year/#comment-77707 I just think it's pointless to sign a guy who is as enigmatic and inconsistent (offensively) as Rowand to a long-term deal. Add that to the fact that the Giants still don't have an impact power bat and it looks like the Giants paid someone for a downgrade in CF and a bat somewhere along the line of Randy Winn and Bengie Molina. I just think it’s pointless to sign a guy who is as enigmatic and inconsistent (offensively) as Rowand to a long-term deal. Add that to the fact that the Giants still don’t have an impact power bat and it looks like the Giants paid someone for a downgrade in CF and a bat somewhere along the line of Randy Winn and Bengie Molina.

]]> By: JD http://www.sabernomics.com/sabernomics/index.php/2007/12/the-deal-of-the-year/comment-page-1/#comment-77685 JD Mon, 31 Dec 2007 04:19:12 +0000 http://www.sabernomics.com/sabernomics/index.php/2007/12/the-deal-of-the-year/#comment-77685 Not sure why all the talk about Rowand being overrated defensively. He gets better jumps and takes better angles than just about anybody in the league. UZR loves him, and I happen to find that better than any other metric (by a long shot). He's certainly a better overall player than Hunter. Compared to the free agent market, this is a great deal. Eric Byrnes signed a 3/30 extension during the season. Name something other than stealing bases that he does better than Rowand. Not sure why all the talk about Rowand being overrated defensively. He gets better jumps and takes better angles than just about anybody in the league. UZR loves him, and I happen to find that better than any other metric (by a long shot). He’s certainly a better overall player than Hunter.

Compared to the free agent market, this is a great deal. Eric Byrnes signed a 3/30 extension during the season. Name something other than stealing bases that he does better than Rowand.

]]> By: Justin http://www.sabernomics.com/sabernomics/index.php/2007/12/the-deal-of-the-year/comment-page-1/#comment-77329 Justin Sat, 29 Dec 2007 21:01:53 +0000 http://www.sabernomics.com/sabernomics/index.php/2007/12/the-deal-of-the-year/#comment-77329 Look up Rowand's splits at CB Park and on the road. Your answer will change completely. Look up Rowand’s splits at CB Park and on the road.

Your answer will change completely.

]]> By: Dave http://www.sabernomics.com/sabernomics/index.php/2007/12/the-deal-of-the-year/comment-page-1/#comment-77095 Dave Sat, 29 Dec 2007 13:48:28 +0000 http://www.sabernomics.com/sabernomics/index.php/2007/12/the-deal-of-the-year/#comment-77095 What's the difference between the outfield fence and a cutoff man? Aaron Rowand occasionally hits the OF fence. To say this is a great signing simply because it's less expensive than the other two is like telling someone whose house got burglarized that they're lucky because their neighbor's house got burglarized AND burnt down. Sure, you're better off relative to the neighbor, but you're not in a very good spot either way. Ask the Giants fans how great a bargain this is when he's a 17 HR-hitting LF in two years and the Giants eat some money to move him. What’s the difference between the outfield fence and a cutoff man? Aaron Rowand occasionally hits the OF fence. To say this is a great signing simply because it’s less expensive than the other two is like telling someone whose house got burglarized that they’re lucky because their neighbor’s house got burglarized AND burnt down. Sure, you’re better off relative to the neighbor, but you’re not in a very good spot either way. Ask the Giants fans how great a bargain this is when he’s a 17 HR-hitting LF in two years and the Giants eat some money to move him.

]]> By: Vernon Dozier http://www.sabernomics.com/sabernomics/index.php/2007/12/the-deal-of-the-year/comment-page-1/#comment-77075 Vernon Dozier Sat, 29 Dec 2007 12:30:15 +0000 http://www.sabernomics.com/sabernomics/index.php/2007/12/the-deal-of-the-year/#comment-77075 Having watched Rowand everyday during his two seasons in Philadelphia, I'd say he is one of the most overrated players in baseball (especially defensively). He has the speed and range of an average LEFTFIELDER, and is definitely a liability in CF. People see the guy running into a fence on SportsCenter will get the impression that he makes those plays all the time. My lasting impressions are of balls flying over Rowand's head and just beyond reach of his outstretched glove. I've never seen as many misplayed flyballs as I did the past two seasons. Needless to say, I'm looking forward to the Victorino in CF this year for the Phillies. Sabean follows the worst signing last year (Zito) with the worst signing this year - how much longer will he have a job?? Having watched Rowand everyday during his two seasons in Philadelphia, I’d say he is one of the most overrated players in baseball (especially defensively). He has the speed and range of an average LEFTFIELDER, and is definitely a liability in CF. People see the guy running into a fence on SportsCenter will get the impression that he makes those plays all the time. My lasting impressions are of balls flying over Rowand’s head and just beyond reach of his outstretched glove. I’ve never seen as many misplayed flyballs as I did the past two seasons. Needless to say, I’m looking forward to the Victorino in CF this year for the Phillies. Sabean follows the worst signing last year (Zito) with the worst signing this year – how much longer will he have a job??

]]> By: Gamelist http://www.sabernomics.com/sabernomics/index.php/2007/12/the-deal-of-the-year/comment-page-1/#comment-76992 Gamelist Sat, 29 Dec 2007 09:57:22 +0000 http://www.sabernomics.com/sabernomics/index.php/2007/12/the-deal-of-the-year/#comment-76992 As a CF over an age of 30,Ichiro also got 80m/5y before all star break too As a CF over an age of 30,Ichiro also got 80m/5y before all star break too

]]> By: Bob Warja http://www.sabernomics.com/sabernomics/index.php/2007/12/the-deal-of-the-year/comment-page-1/#comment-76858 Bob Warja Sat, 29 Dec 2007 06:51:08 +0000 http://www.sabernomics.com/sabernomics/index.php/2007/12/the-deal-of-the-year/#comment-76858 Rowand is not as good as he showed last year, offensively. He will likely revert back to something more normal, such as a .270 avg with 16 homers. And he isn't fast and he won't take a walk. Defensively he is overrated. Probably due to his penchant for running into walls, but overall, he's league average. A good 4th outfielder is not worth the money they spent on him. Bad signing. Rowand is not as good as he showed last year, offensively. He will likely revert back to something more normal, such as a .270 avg with 16 homers. And he isn’t fast and he won’t take a walk. Defensively he is overrated. Probably due to his penchant for running into walls, but overall, he’s league average. A good 4th outfielder is not worth the money they spent on him. Bad signing.

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