Comments on: Selig and Fehr on Human Growth Hormone http://www.sabernomics.com/sabernomics/index.php/2008/01/selig-and-fehr-on-human-growth-hormone/ Economic Thinking about Baseball Sun, 09 Jan 2011 17:16:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Max http://www.sabernomics.com/sabernomics/index.php/2008/01/selig-and-fehr-on-human-growth-hormone/comment-page-1/#comment-82573 Max Wed, 16 Jan 2008 22:50:16 +0000 http://www.sabernomics.com/sabernomics/index.php/2008/01/selig-and-fehr-on-human-growth-hormone/#comment-82573 I am going to assume the role of the captain obvious and say " This is a complex issue." We sit and talk as if performance enhancing abilities etc is the only reason that these substances are banned. I am willing to bet almost everything on the fact that Selig and Fehr are sitting on something else too. There has to be more, it does seem impossible to me that no one has even mentioned the fact that HGH isnt really performance enhancing. However, we must also determine what performance enhancement is. Think about it. One thing is that Performance enhancement needs to be defined then on the same piece of paper (or document) someone should list the effects of HGH, because it does do something. So, if HGH doesn't make you better, than you were, what if it handles injuries better, or helps maintain your vision or something, these are things that we could not normally detect, because we cant tell you when it is okay for an injury to heal or when sight deteriorates. I hope my point is clear. I tried. And its not like I disagree, I just think there is probably more to it. I am going to assume the role of the captain obvious and say ” This is a complex issue.” We sit and talk as if performance enhancing abilities etc is the only reason that these substances are banned. I am willing to bet almost everything on the fact that Selig and Fehr are sitting on something else too. There has to be more, it does seem impossible to me that no one has even mentioned the fact that HGH isnt really performance enhancing. However, we must also determine what performance enhancement is. Think about it. One thing is that Performance enhancement needs to be defined then on the same piece of paper (or document) someone should list the effects of HGH, because it does do something. So, if HGH doesn’t make you better, than you were, what if it handles injuries better, or helps maintain your vision or something, these are things that we could not normally detect, because we cant tell you when it is okay for an injury to heal or when sight deteriorates. I hope my point is clear. I tried. And its not like I disagree, I just think there is probably more to it.

]]> By: Kyle http://www.sabernomics.com/sabernomics/index.php/2008/01/selig-and-fehr-on-human-growth-hormone/comment-page-1/#comment-82529 Kyle Wed, 16 Jan 2008 16:46:11 +0000 http://www.sabernomics.com/sabernomics/index.php/2008/01/selig-and-fehr-on-human-growth-hormone/#comment-82529 I liked the fact that this was the first time I heard Selig take the blame and say that he's responsible for letting this go on. That's all I've wanted to hear him say for the last five years! He's done some incredible things for baseball and this is going to be his legacy. Admitting you did something wrong is the first step to forgiveness. I liked the fact that this was the first time I heard Selig take the blame and say that he’s responsible for letting this go on. That’s all I’ve wanted to hear him say for the last five years! He’s done some incredible things for baseball and this is going to be his legacy. Admitting you did something wrong is the first step to forgiveness.

]]> By: Marc Schneider http://www.sabernomics.com/sabernomics/index.php/2008/01/selig-and-fehr-on-human-growth-hormone/comment-page-1/#comment-82528 Marc Schneider Wed, 16 Jan 2008 16:04:00 +0000 http://www.sabernomics.com/sabernomics/index.php/2008/01/selig-and-fehr-on-human-growth-hormone/#comment-82528 JC, I agree with you on the role model issue but I think it's a legitimate societal concern if young athletes think that they need to take steroids or other dangerous substances to be competitive. I think it goes beyond the issue of, well, it's their own body. And to say that all parents need is to just teach their kids right and wrong is naive, to say the least. Players don't need to be role models but playing high-level athletics shouldn't require kids to take drugs. And kids do feel pressure. Maybe kids aren't buying $200 bottles of HGH but they are getting access to steroids somewhere. Having said that, the congressional hearings have, as you would expect, become a circus. Why Congress should care whether or not Roger Clemens lied on 60 Minutes or more generally whether any specific player took steroids is beyond me. JC,

I agree with you on the role model issue but I think it’s a legitimate societal concern if young athletes think that they need to take steroids or other dangerous substances to be competitive. I think it goes beyond the issue of, well, it’s their own body. And to say that all parents need is to just teach their kids right and wrong is naive, to say the least. Players don’t need to be role models but playing high-level athletics shouldn’t require kids to take drugs. And kids do feel pressure. Maybe kids aren’t buying $200 bottles of HGH but they are getting access to steroids somewhere. Having said that, the congressional hearings have, as you would expect, become a circus. Why Congress should care whether or not Roger Clemens lied on 60 Minutes or more generally whether any specific player took steroids is beyond me.

]]> By: Cliff http://www.sabernomics.com/sabernomics/index.php/2008/01/selig-and-fehr-on-human-growth-hormone/comment-page-1/#comment-82498 Cliff Wed, 16 Jan 2008 13:28:58 +0000 http://www.sabernomics.com/sabernomics/index.php/2008/01/selig-and-fehr-on-human-growth-hormone/#comment-82498 "rampant arrogant jackasserty in sports" Wow, what a line. “rampant arrogant jackasserty in sports”

Wow, what a line.

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