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	<title>Comments on: Where Do We Draw the Line on Performance Enhancement?</title>
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		<title>By: Hizouse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hizouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 16:56:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So: what about eye surgery giving a player 20/10 vision?  And we&#039;ve already heard of kids trying to have TJ surgery because they think it will add a few mph to their fastballs.  Are these things any less artificial than the prosthetics?  I guess those don&#039;t introduce or attach any outside materials, but what if instead of using a tendon from the leg they used a state-of-the-art plastic tendon (if such a thing exists)?  And Nike already makes some type of special contact lenses for sports; what if these were permanent implants?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So: what about eye surgery giving a player 20/10 vision?  And we&#8217;ve already heard of kids trying to have TJ surgery because they think it will add a few mph to their fastballs.  Are these things any less artificial than the prosthetics?  I guess those don&#8217;t introduce or attach any outside materials, but what if instead of using a tendon from the leg they used a state-of-the-art plastic tendon (if such a thing exists)?  And Nike already makes some type of special contact lenses for sports; what if these were permanent implants?</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Schneider</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Schneider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 16:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The issue is whether these devices give the athlete skills he or she did not have before.  If the Bionic Woman is suddenly a world class sprinter after never having been able to run fast, that&#039;s a problem.  If it simply allows the athlete to compete in the way he or she would have before the loss of limb or whatever, I have no problem with it.  It&#039;s similar in a way to when Adam LaRoche started taking ritelin to address his ADD and his performance improved. I have no problem with that because it didn&#039;t really enhance his ability, it simply allowed him to compensate for a physical disability and enabled him to perform at the level to which he was capable.  It didn&#039;t give him an unfair advantage because he was no better than he would have been had he not had ADD.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The issue is whether these devices give the athlete skills he or she did not have before.  If the Bionic Woman is suddenly a world class sprinter after never having been able to run fast, that&#8217;s a problem.  If it simply allows the athlete to compete in the way he or she would have before the loss of limb or whatever, I have no problem with it.  It&#8217;s similar in a way to when Adam LaRoche started taking ritelin to address his ADD and his performance improved. I have no problem with that because it didn&#8217;t really enhance his ability, it simply allowed him to compensate for a physical disability and enabled him to perform at the level to which he was capable.  It didn&#8217;t give him an unfair advantage because he was no better than he would have been had he not had ADD.</p>
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		<title>By: JC</title>
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		<dc:creator>JC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:57:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Efficiency refers to the ability to transfer oxygen into output. It does not mean being able to perform on the same output level as an athlete.  From the article:

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Brueggemann said this did not necessarily translate to a general advantage. But he did establish that this “different kind of locomotion” was also more efficient from a physiological standpoint.

“In the 400 meters, he was able to run at the same speed as the control subjects, but his oxygen intake was much lower,” he said. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Efficiency refers to the ability to transfer oxygen into output. It does not mean being able to perform on the same output level as an athlete.  From the article:</p>
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Brueggemann said this did not necessarily translate to a general advantage. But he did establish that this “different kind of locomotion” was also more efficient from a physiological standpoint.</p>
<p>“In the 400 meters, he was able to run at the same speed as the control subjects, but his oxygen intake was much lower,” he said.
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		<title>By: tangotiger</title>
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		<dc:creator>tangotiger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What if it allowed to perform with equal efficiency to Gretzky, Jordan, or Ruth?  My opinion is that once it becomes a part of you, it&#039;s you, and you can&#039;t be discriminated on that basis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What if it allowed to perform with equal efficiency to Gretzky, Jordan, or Ruth?  My opinion is that once it becomes a part of you, it&#8217;s you, and you can&#8217;t be discriminated on that basis.</p>
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		<title>By: JC</title>
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		<dc:creator>JC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 13:49:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I doubt many athletes will begin sawing off their limbs soon; although, there is some evidence that beggars do this in India to increase their income. 

I talked to a colleague of mine who has written a textbook on biomechanics, and he says the issue of these prosthetics has been discussed for a while. They have devices now that allow athletes to perform at Olympic levels with much more efficiency than the human body. As a result, these devices do more than return athletes to an equal level. I am impressed that governing bodies are developing objective tests to find out how much help an artificial device can give. It seems that they would allow a prosthetic if it functioned with equal efficiency as the human body.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I doubt many athletes will begin sawing off their limbs soon; although, there is some evidence that beggars do this in India to increase their income. </p>
<p>I talked to a colleague of mine who has written a textbook on biomechanics, and he says the issue of these prosthetics has been discussed for a while. They have devices now that allow athletes to perform at Olympic levels with much more efficiency than the human body. As a result, these devices do more than return athletes to an equal level. I am impressed that governing bodies are developing objective tests to find out how much help an artificial device can give. It seems that they would allow a prosthetic if it functioned with equal efficiency as the human body.</p>
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		<title>By: Mac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 03:54:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, you just &lt;i&gt;know&lt;/i&gt; that people are going to be lining up to get their lower legs chopped off if they can win Olympic medals for it.  I know that I&#039;m planning to get my left arm removed at the elbow and replaced by a jai alai stick, then try out for the &lt;strike&gt;Devil&lt;/strike&gt; Rays.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, you just <i>know</i> that people are going to be lining up to get their lower legs chopped off if they can win Olympic medals for it.  I know that I&#8217;m planning to get my left arm removed at the elbow and replaced by a jai alai stick, then try out for the <strike>Devil</strike> Rays.</p>
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