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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.sabernomics.com/sabernomics/index.php/2008/02/vindicated/comment-page-1/#comment-96596</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 00:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Mark: There is a huge difference between scuffing a ball or stealing a sign to get a tiny advantage in a game, and pumping yourself full of chemicals and hormones to create or extend a career.

No one was cheating that way 100 years ago, it just wasn’t worth it, but with the dollars involved now it has gone out of control.&quot;

The reason no one cheated that way a century ago was because the drugs weren&#039;t available.  Let&#039;s try a thought experiment: Imagine you could go back in time and tell Joe DiMaggio that you have a pill, and if he took the pill, he could hit ten more home runs every year.  Technically, it&#039;s against the rules of the game, but you won&#039;t tell if he won&#039;t.  What do you think Joltin&#039; Joe will say?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Mark: There is a huge difference between scuffing a ball or stealing a sign to get a tiny advantage in a game, and pumping yourself full of chemicals and hormones to create or extend a career.</p>
<p>No one was cheating that way 100 years ago, it just wasn’t worth it, but with the dollars involved now it has gone out of control.&#8221;</p>
<p>The reason no one cheated that way a century ago was because the drugs weren&#8217;t available.  Let&#8217;s try a thought experiment: Imagine you could go back in time and tell Joe DiMaggio that you have a pill, and if he took the pill, he could hit ten more home runs every year.  Technically, it&#8217;s against the rules of the game, but you won&#8217;t tell if he won&#8217;t.  What do you think Joltin&#8217; Joe will say?</p>
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		<title>By: JC</title>
		<link>http://www.sabernomics.com/sabernomics/index.php/2008/02/vindicated/comment-page-1/#comment-90464</link>
		<dc:creator>JC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 21:51:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good grief. If this isn&#039;t vindication, then what is?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good grief. If this isn&#8217;t vindication, then what is?</p>
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		<title>By: Greyson</title>
		<link>http://www.sabernomics.com/sabernomics/index.php/2008/02/vindicated/comment-page-1/#comment-90431</link>
		<dc:creator>Greyson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 21:27:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JC: Vindicated may be a little strong, but it is good to see mainstream discussion that suggests we need more data on this subject.

Mark: There is a huge difference between scuffing a ball or stealing a sign to get a tiny advantage in a game, and pumping yourself full of chemicals and hormones to create or extend a career.

No one was cheating that way 100 years ago, it just wasn&#039;t worth it, but with the dollars involved now it has gone out of control.

Jake: The Clemens fiasco, though it may not warrant as much coverage as it gets, is not the most frivolous item on TV these days.  There is an issue with fraud here, and it does warrant some attention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JC: Vindicated may be a little strong, but it is good to see mainstream discussion that suggests we need more data on this subject.</p>
<p>Mark: There is a huge difference between scuffing a ball or stealing a sign to get a tiny advantage in a game, and pumping yourself full of chemicals and hormones to create or extend a career.</p>
<p>No one was cheating that way 100 years ago, it just wasn&#8217;t worth it, but with the dollars involved now it has gone out of control.</p>
<p>Jake: The Clemens fiasco, though it may not warrant as much coverage as it gets, is not the most frivolous item on TV these days.  There is an issue with fraud here, and it does warrant some attention.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.sabernomics.com/sabernomics/index.php/2008/02/vindicated/comment-page-1/#comment-90288</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 02:15:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m no doctor and I don&#039;t know much about HGH, but I do know that baseball players have been cheating for a century and then some.  The numbers that baseball fans praise so highly are no more &quot;legitimate&quot; than those of the steroid era, nor has the game lost any integrity - there was none to lose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m no doctor and I don&#8217;t know much about HGH, but I do know that baseball players have been cheating for a century and then some.  The numbers that baseball fans praise so highly are no more &#8220;legitimate&#8221; than those of the steroid era, nor has the game lost any integrity &#8211; there was none to lose.</p>
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		<title>By: Terry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 01:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, it would be nice if everyone read that and came around.  Unfortunately, I&#039;m still seeing a lot of denial in blog comments everywhere.  It&#039;s hard to prove a negative and I think it will take years and many more studies/articles to change the overwhelming public opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, it would be nice if everyone read that and came around.  Unfortunately, I&#8217;m still seeing a lot of denial in blog comments everywhere.  It&#8217;s hard to prove a negative and I think it will take years and many more studies/articles to change the overwhelming public opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Perls</title>
		<link>http://www.sabernomics.com/sabernomics/index.php/2008/02/vindicated/comment-page-1/#comment-90273</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Perls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 00:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks so much for your wonderful summary of the meeting.. it is a pleasure to tell the public the real story as opposed to the anti-aging industry&#039;s hucksterism

Best,

Tom Perls MD</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks so much for your wonderful summary of the meeting.. it is a pleasure to tell the public the real story as opposed to the anti-aging industry&#8217;s hucksterism</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Tom Perls MD</p>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 23:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like it! Keep fighting the good fight JC. Now if we could just get this whole Clemens thing off the TV.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like it! Keep fighting the good fight JC. Now if we could just get this whole Clemens thing off the TV.</p>
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