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		<title>By: JC</title>
		<link>http://www.sabernomics.com/sabernomics/index.php/2008/12/baseballs-most-valuable-pitchers-2006-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-105402</link>
		<dc:creator>JC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:53:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ohlend,

I explain the method in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Baseball-Economist-Real-Game-Exposed/dp/0452289025/ref=ed_oe_p&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;my book&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ohlend,</p>
<p>I explain the method in <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Baseball-Economist-Real-Game-Exposed/dp/0452289025/ref=ed_oe_p" rel="nofollow">my book</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Ohlend</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ohlend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:25:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, I mean, publish the method or formula online.
I am quite interested in this article, if you can reply the questions below, I will be very appreciated for it.

1.
Could you disclose what factors did you consider?
And, had your method/formula ever been published on journal paper or are there papers that the method/formula refers to?  

2.
Did you consider the factors that beyond the in-field performance of the player? 
For example, the team market factors, player&#039;s commercial value, or other non-in-field factors.
3.
Did you estimate the marginal productivity or estimate AP  to indicate the &quot;value?&quot;

4.
Are there only free agents estimated?  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I mean, publish the method or formula online.<br />
I am quite interested in this article, if you can reply the questions below, I will be very appreciated for it.</p>
<p>1.<br />
Could you disclose what factors did you consider?<br />
And, had your method/formula ever been published on journal paper or are there papers that the method/formula refers to?  </p>
<p>2.<br />
Did you consider the factors that beyond the in-field performance of the player? <br />
For example, the team market factors, player&#8217;s commercial value, or other non-in-field factors.<br />
3.<br />
Did you estimate the marginal productivity or estimate AP  to indicate the &#8221;value?&#8221;</p>
<p>4.<br />
Are there only free agents estimated?  </p>
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		<title>By: Ohlend</title>
		<link>http://www.sabernomics.com/sabernomics/index.php/2008/12/baseballs-most-valuable-pitchers-2006-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-105398</link>
		<dc:creator>Ohlend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 08:40:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can you publish the method or fomula that you use to estimate the value?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can you publish the method or fomula that you use to estimate the value?</p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Braves should stay away from A.J. Burnett, 5 years is the rumored contract he desires and that is too risky. I know it&#039;s probably been said before but hasn&#039;t this organization learned anything from the experience with Mike Hampton? They finally got out from under an injury prone, unreliable (except when it came to contract year) starter&#039;s contract and now they are reportedly wanting to swim in those waters again. What JC&#039;s list tells me is that the Braves made a good move acquiring Vazquez. I think they should go with Vazquez, Jurrjens, Hanson, Campillo and either sign a veteran on the cheap or let some of the young guys battle out for the fifth spot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Braves should stay away from A.J. Burnett, 5 years is the rumored contract he desires and that is too risky. I know it&#8217;s probably been said before but hasn&#8217;t this organization learned anything from the experience with Mike Hampton? They finally got out from under an injury prone, unreliable (except when it came to contract year) starter&#8217;s contract and now they are reportedly wanting to swim in those waters again. What JC&#8217;s list tells me is that the Braves made a good move acquiring Vazquez. I think they should go with Vazquez, Jurrjens, Hanson, Campillo and either sign a veteran on the cheap or let some of the young guys battle out for the fifth spot.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Clark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It should be noted that some (not all) of AJ&#039;s injury issues are overblown and depend on usage.  With better handling (and recognizing that he is somewhat injury prone so treating him more cautiously) he would be fine to get to 200 IP.  Just don&#039;t leave him out there in the ninth inning when he&#039;s at 115 pitches and clearly, visibly gassed.  Also, don&#039;t take him up above 125 pitches 5 or 6 outings in a row if he&#039;s getting fatigued there because he will break down. He&#039;s been fine in Toronto when they weren&#039;t riding him into the ground (He arguably had a better 2007 than Roy Halladay but had fewer wins due to terrible run support).

The Toronto Blue Jays coaching staff break pitchers (Shaun Marcum, Casey Janssen, Brandon League, BJ Ryan, Dustin McGowan, Gustavo Chacin, etc) and I have it on authority from [name withheld by editor] that this is a systematic thing as opposed to bad luck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It should be noted that some (not all) of AJ&#8217;s injury issues are overblown and depend on usage.  With better handling (and recognizing that he is somewhat injury prone so treating him more cautiously) he would be fine to get to 200 IP.  Just don&#8217;t leave him out there in the ninth inning when he&#8217;s at 115 pitches and clearly, visibly gassed.  Also, don&#8217;t take him up above 125 pitches 5 or 6 outings in a row if he&#8217;s getting fatigued there because he will break down. He&#8217;s been fine in Toronto when they weren&#8217;t riding him into the ground (He arguably had a better 2007 than Roy Halladay but had fewer wins due to terrible run support).</p>
<p>The Toronto Blue Jays coaching staff break pitchers (Shaun Marcum, Casey Janssen, Brandon League, BJ Ryan, Dustin McGowan, Gustavo Chacin, etc) and I have it on authority from [name withheld by editor] that this is a systematic thing as opposed to bad luck.</p>
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		<title>By: JC</title>
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		<dc:creator>JC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Burnett has really been hampered by injuries. I am curious why the Braves did not attempt to go after Lowe instead of Burnett. I think Lowe has the higher expected return.

Guys are still producing plenty well to be worth their pay after free agency. The best players typically hit free agency a year or two before they peak (age 29-30). 

Very similar to an IP-leader list, as it should be. You want your best players playing the most. 

Gil Meche is a valuable pitcher. I liked the deal at the time it was reached and he&#039;s lived up to the deal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Burnett has really been hampered by injuries. I am curious why the Braves did not attempt to go after Lowe instead of Burnett. I think Lowe has the higher expected return.</p>
<p>Guys are still producing plenty well to be worth their pay after free agency. The best players typically hit free agency a year or two before they peak (age 29-30). </p>
<p>Very similar to an IP-leader list, as it should be. You want your best players playing the most. </p>
<p>Gil Meche is a valuable pitcher. I liked the deal at the time it was reached and he&#8217;s lived up to the deal.</p>
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		<title>By: LeShawn Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>LeShawn Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:23:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;In other words, from looking at the list, once a guy reaches substantially full free agent pay, he doesn’t produce enough to justify the pay, right?&quot;

No, remember that a star player will generate more revenue in a lucrative market (NY, LA) than in a smaller market (KC, MIL).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;In other words, from looking at the list, once a guy reaches substantially full free agent pay, he doesn’t produce enough to justify the pay, right?&#8221;</p>
<p>No, remember that a star player will generate more revenue in a lucrative market (NY, LA) than in a smaller market (KC, MIL).</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Hill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 04:50:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gil Freakin Meche????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gil Freakin Meche????</p>
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		<title>By: mravery</title>
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		<dc:creator>mravery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 22:49:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not so different from an list of IP leaders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not so different from an list of IP leaders.</p>
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		<title>By: Cliff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cliff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In other words, from looking at the list, once a guy reaches substantially full free agent pay, he doesn&#039;t produce enough to justify the pay, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In other words, from looking at the list, once a guy reaches substantially full free agent pay, he doesn&#8217;t produce enough to justify the pay, right?</p>
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