Comments on: Astros Sign Lyon http://www.sabernomics.com/sabernomics/index.php/2009/12/astros-sign-lyon/ Economic Thinking about Baseball Sun, 09 Jan 2011 17:16:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Nick Steiner http://www.sabernomics.com/sabernomics/index.php/2009/12/astros-sign-lyon/comment-page-1/#comment-107253 Nick Steiner Tue, 15 Dec 2009 19:39:23 +0000 http://www.sabernomics.com/sabernomics/?p=2371#comment-107253 JC - I mistyped, I meant to say the value of a marginal win at 88 is much higher than at 75. JC – I mistyped, I meant to say the value of a marginal win at 88 is much higher than at 75.

]]> By: JC http://www.sabernomics.com/sabernomics/index.php/2009/12/astros-sign-lyon/comment-page-1/#comment-107177 JC Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:33:14 +0000 http://www.sabernomics.com/sabernomics/?p=2371#comment-107177 Actually the marginal value of a win is more at 88 than it is at 75. And, I'm unsure how being an economist would "obviously" cause me to think the opposite. If anything, the economics literature as assumed a diminishing returns to wins, which do exist, but not within the realm of where most teams are making decisions. While I mostly present values assuming a player is on an average team, I acknowledge that they may be worth more on good teams. Also important, is that though wins are more valuable for good teams, once a team falls slightly below average wins are valued about the same. Actually the marginal value of a win is more at 88 than it is at 75. And, I’m unsure how being an economist would “obviously” cause me to think the opposite. If anything, the economics literature as assumed a diminishing returns to wins, which do exist, but not within the realm of where most teams are making decisions. While I mostly present values assuming a player is on an average team, I acknowledge that they may be worth more on good teams. Also important, is that though wins are more valuable for good teams, once a team falls slightly below average wins are valued about the same.

]]> By: Nick Steiner http://www.sabernomics.com/sabernomics/index.php/2009/12/astros-sign-lyon/comment-page-1/#comment-107171 Nick Steiner Fri, 11 Dec 2009 04:54:14 +0000 http://www.sabernomics.com/sabernomics/?p=2371#comment-107171 While I don't disagree with the 17.5 million dollar figure, at least not by that much, this wasn't a very good move for the Astros given that they are a non-contender. As an economist, you would obviously know that going from 75-76 wins it's nearly as important, or profitable, to going from 88-89 wins. While I don’t disagree with the 17.5 million dollar figure, at least not by that much, this wasn’t a very good move for the Astros given that they are a non-contender.

As an economist, you would obviously know that going from 75-76 wins it’s nearly as important, or profitable, to going from 88-89 wins.

]]> By: confused http://www.sabernomics.com/sabernomics/index.php/2009/12/astros-sign-lyon/comment-page-1/#comment-107161 confused Thu, 10 Dec 2009 19:59:32 +0000 http://www.sabernomics.com/sabernomics/?p=2371#comment-107161 What makes a pretty generic reliever worth anything near that figure? What makes a pretty generic reliever worth anything near that figure?

]]> By: Andrew http://www.sabernomics.com/sabernomics/index.php/2009/12/astros-sign-lyon/comment-page-1/#comment-107160 Andrew Thu, 10 Dec 2009 19:53:02 +0000 http://www.sabernomics.com/sabernomics/?p=2371#comment-107160 I completely disagree on the value of Brandon Lyon. He is definitely a capable middle reliever due to the number of strikes that he throws. However, I don't believe that he misses enough bats(thus relying on luck and defense too much) to be placed in high-leverage situations and command this type of salary. I think it's another sign of mismanagement from Houston - they've addressed the 7th inning at for a huge price when they have other gaping holes in their squad (and apparently money issues that they've mentioned). Boston just signed Boof Bonser and showed why they have much sounder management in the front office. Here's a guy that's very similar to Lyon in pitching to contact and ability to pitch the 7th inning but he possesses the ability to spot-start and has team control for another 4 years or so. I completely disagree on the value of Brandon Lyon. He is definitely a capable middle reliever due to the number of strikes that he throws. However, I don’t believe that he misses enough bats(thus relying on luck and defense too much) to be placed in high-leverage situations and command this type of salary. I think it’s another sign of mismanagement from Houston – they’ve addressed the 7th inning at for a huge price when they have other gaping holes in their squad (and apparently money issues that they’ve mentioned). Boston just signed Boof Bonser and showed why they have much sounder management in the front office. Here’s a guy that’s very similar to Lyon in pitching to contact and ability to pitch the 7th inning but he possesses the ability to spot-start and has team control for another 4 years or so.

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